The Real Driver of Profit Growth Isn’t Your Strategy.

Episode 27: Featuring Mike Goldman, Speaker, Author & Leadership Team Coach

Only 2% of leaders believe their performance management process adds any real value. That number should stop every executive cold, because the number one driver of profit growth in any company is people growth. When the system built to grow people is broken, growth stalls, and most leaders never trace the problem back to its source.

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Host Kim Bohr, CEO of SparkEffect, sits down with leadership team coach Mike Goldman to name what actually holds teams back. It is rarely strategy or product. It is some mix of the wrong people and a failure to develop the people already on the team. Most organizations paper over this with annual reviews and core values that live on a website, then wonder why performance and culture drift.

Mike has spent close to 20 years coaching leadership teams at small and mid-market companies. Out of that work he built the Talent Density Framework, a five-step approach to setting expectations, assessing performance, taking action, driving accountability, and cascading it through the organization. Its companion metric, the Talent Density Indicator, tracks the percentage of high performers minus low performers so leaders can benchmark people growth the way they benchmark revenue. He lays it out in his USA Today bestseller, The Strength of Talent: How to Grow Your People to Grow Your Profit.

Across the conversation, Mike and Kim get specific: why unclear expectations are unfair before they are ineffective, why the CEO owns culture and cannot delegate it, how one protected high producer can break a culture in 30 seconds, and why coaching someone out of the wrong seat can be the kindest thing a leader does. Kim maps it against SparkEffect’s Trust in Turbulence research, where 71% of employees reported a major workplace disruption in the last 24 months and psychological safety and belonging took the hardest hits.

What You’ll Discover 

  • Why annual performance reviews fail as a growth tool, and what a quarterly talent assessment does in their place
  • How to tell whether your expectations are actually clear.
  • The test that separates a real core value from a word on your website
  • Why protecting a high-producing culture violator costs more than the revenue they bring in
  • How to make a difficult exit a kindness, using positive intent and the idea that everyone can be a superstar somewher

Episode Highlights 

[0:00] The 2% problem and why it matters. Kim opens with the finding that only 2% of leaders trust their performance management, and Mike connects it to his core claim that people growth drives profit.

[1:40] What actually holds teams back. After close to 20 years coaching leadership teams, Mike explains why the constraint is usually people, not strategy, and introduces the Talent Density Framework and the Talent Density Indicator.

[6:52] Why the CEO owns culture. Mike’s functional accountability chart exercise, and the new CEO who thought his job was to help everyone else do theirs.

[9:14] The conversation leaders avoid. Vulnerability-based trust, the employee who has been coachable for two years, and why that avoidance is what Mike calls leadership malpractice.

[13:35] How a culture breaks in 30 seconds. The number two salesperson who violated three core values, the CEO who refused to act, and what the rest of the team did about it.

[19:26] Core values are behaviors, not website words. The tests Mike runs on a set of values, and the solar company whose sustainability value did not survive them.

[27:52] When coaching someone out is a kindness. The law of positive intent, everyone can be a superstar somewhere, and the reframe behind fire fast, hire slow.

[32:06] The next scary thing. What courage to advance means to Mike, from stand-up comedy at 50 to finding the next dragon to slay.

Key Takeaways for HR Leaders 

1. People growth is the number one driver of profit growth. Mike’s whole argument rests here: if the process you use to grow people is broken, you are not managing a soft HR function, you are throttling your top line. Treat performance management as a growth system and measure it like one.

2. Unclear expectations are unfair before they are ineffective. It is not fair to judge someone against a standard you never shared. Most leaders believe their expectations are clear until they try to write down how they measure success for each role and find they cannot. That gap, not effort or ability, is the root of a surprising amount of team misalignment.

3. Core values are non-negotiable behaviors, not website copy. A value you cannot see, define, or hold people to is decoration. Mike’s test is simple: name the observable behavior. Sustainability failed it at a solar company; we lift each other up, broken into three specific behaviors, passed. Hire people who already live the values rather than trying to coach someone into becoming who they are not.

4. One protected high producer can undo years of culture. When a CEO refused to hold his number two salesperson to the values, he broke a culture in about 30 seconds that took years to build. The moment you exempt your top performers from the standard, the standard is gone, and the CEO, not HR, owns that call.

5. Coaching someone out of the wrong seat can be a kindness. If everyone can be a superstar somewhere, then keeping someone in a role they cannot win is not loyalty. Handled with positive intent, an exit can free that person to succeed elsewhere. Nine times out of ten, Mike notes, the remaining team’s reaction is what took you so long.

About Our Guest

Mike Goldman is a professional speaker, leadership team coach, and author of three books, including the USA Today Bestseller, The Strength of Talent. He’s also the host of The Better Leadership Team Show.

A seasoned TEDx speaker, Mike delivers impactful talks to international audiences, including esteemed organizations like IBM, Allstate, the Young Presidents’ Organization, Vistage, and the Entrepreneurs’ Organization to name a few. Over his 30+ year career in coaching and consulting, he has partnered with prominent clients such as Disney, Verizon, CHANEL, and Polo Ralph Lauren, helping them achieve breakthrough results.

His insights have been featured in Forbes, Fast Company and Chief Executive Magazine and he is widely regarded by CEO’s as the expert on building great leadership teams. As both coach and speaker, Mike is on a mission to help CEO’s grow their business and have more impact while creating a more engaging, fulfilling environment for their team using his Breakthrough Leadership Team approach.

Mike is a life-long learner. In fact, he often tells his clients that if he’s gone ninety minutes without recommending a book, they should dial 911 because there may be a serious issue.

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Notable Quotes 

Mike Goldman: “The number one driver of profit growth is people growth.”

Mike Goldman: “It is not fair to judge someone on expectations you have in your head that you haven’t shared with them.”

Kim Bohr: “There’s a lot of scary stuff coming at us and we can put our head in the sand or we could embrace it and just step forward and take it on.”

Kim Bohr: “Just because it’s not here, it doesn’t mean it’s not somewhere.”

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About Courage to Advance 

Courage to Advance explores how visionary leaders are building the organizations they wish existed, companies that prove business doesn’t have to be dehumanizing. Hosted by Kim Bohr, President and COO of SparkEffect, each episode features executives who refuse to accept that traditional corporate practices are inevitable, sharing the experiments, resistance, and breakthrough results of choosing human flourishing alongside business success. 

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